Mayu
- Wednesday at 6:56 PM
- #1
VERSUS
- Makima's contract is in play
- The Nine have their members from the Brockton Bay arc (Jack Slash, Bonesaw, Hatchet Face, Shatterbird, Burnscar, Cherish, Crawler, Siberian, Mannequin)
- Full knowledge for all parties (Nine know about Makima's contract, Makima knows about Manton/Siberian, ect.)
- No prep for any party
- All parties in-character
- Fight is on the streets of Tokyo, Japan
Bonus Round: Who wins as the most evil character(s), Makima or Slaughterhouse Nine?
Mr Sheldon
I want to kill the lampreys
- Wednesday at 7:36 PM
- #2
Makima is basically King but with more powers. If King was able to keep them under control then Makima will have no trouble curbstomping the lot of them. Full knowledge will actually be worse for the S9 because she'll remind them of King and make them less willing to fight her.
Bonus: The S9 are more evil because they're evil for evil's sake. Makima at least has a good motive behind her evil.
Lullabyes
The Cosmos Merchant
- Wednesday at 7:50 PM
- #3
Makima can revive 126 million+ times(since thats approximately the size of 1997 japan's population), so they can't put her down for good nor can they get rid of her
Any shot she lands with "Bang" would probably just paste any of the Slaughterhouse Nine besides crawler and siberian because it was able to send Pochita into space(albeit he was at an angle for makima to be able to hit him like that but regardless)
Considering the fact that makima is able to listen through lower life forms/small creatures and can hijack their senses for this, she'll likely be able to find manton too and just off him and siberian altogether
Once she puts down crawler a couple of times it'll probably confirm that he's inferior to her which would trigger her Control Devil ability and put crawler under her control, thereby winning against them, hell anyone from the slaughterhouse nine that she beats would end up getting mind controlled and would be used against the rest of them
And considering she's able to react to the triple mach digit gun devil and can reasonably be scaled to supersonic characters(quanxi), she'd either blitz the villain group or wouldn't be able to be caught off guard by them(beyond siberian just facetanking everything she throws at her)
So yeah after a couple of lives lost and few chains shot at the slaughterhouse nine, Makima would win
Starsight
Catradora stan
She/Her
- Wednesday at 7:56 PM
- #4
Mr Sheldon said:
Makima is basically King but with more powers. If King was able to keep them under control then Makima will have no trouble curbstomping the lot of them.
I mean, to be fair, a) King could apply his power to the S9 while Makima's contract can't redirect damage onto them, b) King's power works on stuff far more hax than Makima's does, like redirecting the effect of Gray Boy loops, and c) King didn't keep them under control; that's why he got murdered.
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Sheraf Woday
- Wednesday at 9:44 PM
- #5
Lullabyes said:
Makima can revive 126 million+ times(since thats approximately the size of 1997 japan's population), so they can't put her down for good nor can they get rid of her
Given they start in Japan it would be possible for one of Bonesaws super plagues to eventually deal with that, but with no prep time and head to head it wouldn't be nearly fast enough. Short of Siberian managing to stand on her body like she did Scion's for ages, which probably won't work anyway unless both the regen method Makima has is similar and being overlapped like that somehow stunlocks her from using any power, I don't think they can get through that.
Lullabyes
The Cosmos Merchant
- Thursday at 9:07 AM
- #6
Sheraf Woday said:
Given they start in Japan it would be possible for one of Bonesaws super plagues to eventually deal with that, but with no prep time and head to head it wouldn't be nearly fast enough. Short of Siberian managing to stand on her body like she did Scion's for ages, which probably won't work anyway unless both the regen method Makima has is similar and being overlapped like that somehow stunlocks her from using any power, I don't think they can get through that.
Don't think Bonesaw's super plagues can wipe out all of Makima's lives in japan before she kills the nine,
sure her plagues probably have the potency for it but I don't remember them being that fast that it can encompass an entire country before the supersonic character gets rid of the rest of the nine
Mook91
- Thursday at 5:02 PM
- #7
Starsight said:
I mean, to be fair, a) King could apply his power to the S9 while Makima's contract can't redirect damage onto them, b) King's power works on stuff far more hax than Makima's does, like redirecting the effect of Gray Boy loops, and c) King didn't keep them under control; that's why he got murdered.
Counterpoint: King was a one-trick-pony so any marginal advantage his powers had over Makima's contract is not very relevant AND he was a parahuman who was trying to control Jack who has a anti-parahuman cheat code.
Jack can't rely on literal Plot Armor to help him out against Makima and any disadvantage of Makima not being able to force her injuries onto the 9 is more than made up for with her being able to mind control them and control them even after death.
Additionally I'm not sure there's any evidence that Makima's power is less capable of handling esoteric attacks than King's power. There are some pretty out there Devil abilities even when only counting the stuff that's been made available to humanity via contracts but the story frames Makima's contract as absolute with only a "cheat" like Denji genuinely and sincerely eating her body as an act of love being able to bypass it.
Starsight
Catradora stan
She/Her
- Thursday at 6:28 PM
- #8
Mook91 said:
Jack can't rely on literal Plot Armor to help him out against Makima and any disadvantage of Makima not being able to force her injuries onto the 9 is more than made up for with her being able to mind control them and control them even after death.
Sure, but the conclusion drawn was specifically comparing King's ability to control them to Makima. My only contention was that it wasn't an apt comparison because they had different abilities.
Mook91 said:
Additionally I'm not sure there's any evidence that Makima's power is less capable of handling esoteric attacks than King's power.
That's not how the burden of proof works. Makima has no feats for stopping something that isn't lethal or harmful at all, like a Gray Boy bubble, especially since GB bubbles also create an inviolable barrier around the target that can't be broken or escaped even with teleportation or dimension travel.
Lullabyes
The Cosmos Merchant
- Thursday at 7:36 PM
- #9
Starsight said:
Makima has no feats for stopping something that isn't lethal or harmful at all, like a Gray Boy bubble,
Technically using a gray boy bubble would be an action with the intent to harm her, and considering something as mundane as getting drunk from alcohol so someone could get answers was getting the drunkiness redirected to someone else, she'll likely just send the damage she takes from the grey boy bubble elsewhere
But yeah she probably wouldn't be able to break free from something like a time-loop field anyway
Also king and grey boy arent really in the line-up of enemies against makima so I don't think they need to be discussed much
Starsight
Catradora stan
She/Her
- Thursday at 7:48 PM
- #10
Lullabyes said:
Technically using a gray boy bubble would be an action with the intent to harm her, and considering something as mundane as getting drunk from alcohol so someone could get answers was getting the drunkiness redirected to someone else, she'll likely just send the damage she takes from the grey boy bubble elsewhere
Gray Boy bubbles don't harm their inhabitants at all, while alcohol is actually a poison—that's what intoxication is. Gray Boy doesn't inflict harm at all, and the bubble isn't used with the intent to harm.
AbeLincoln1865
- Friday at 12:08 AM
- #11
Starsight said:
Gray Boy bubbles don't harm their inhabitants at all, while alcohol is actually a poison—that's what intoxication is. Gray Boy doesn't inflict harm at all, and the bubble isn't used with the intent to harm.
I think trying to trap someone in one place until the Sun runs out (as far as Gray Boy knows) would count as intending harm by most definitions.
Starsight
Catradora stan
She/Her
- Friday at 2:24 AM
- #12
AbeLincoln1865 said:
I think trying to trap someone in one place until the Sun runs out (as far as Gray Boy knows) would count as intending harm by most definitions.
You're welcome to prove that Makima's contract redirects being restrained to a location. Does she suddenly gain the ability to walk through walls and physical obstructions, passing that off to a random citizen in Japan who runs into an invisible barrier? I don't think so, and I think it would be rather disingenuous to imply that her contract could prevent a "harm" like being stuck in one place. She won't even starve or run out of air or dehydrate herself, because her body will be continually looped back (and as an added bonus, you're welcome to prove that her power works on timehax), so there's quite literally no harm inflicted at all.
ObsidionJaguar15
- Friday at 10:34 AM
- #13
What does any of this matter to these particular folks? Grey Boy ain't here, so whether or not she can cheat her way out of the bubbles means nothing.
Personally, unless they get damn lucky, there's not a lot any of them can do here to beat Makima. Siberian can kill her plenty, but enough times and in a bad enough way she can't come back? Probably not. Crawler might adapt something, but it's doubtful it'll mean much. Bonesaw could theoretically make a plague to kill off only Japanese people, but that's not gonna save them much either considering the diaspora would keep Makima alive long enough to throttle them before it hits them all scattered around the world. And that's all if she can't enslave them and force them to work for her; I doubt she'll consider a roving band of murderers as at all an equal, so it would be easy pickings.
AbeLincoln1865
- Friday at 3:55 PM
- #14
Starsight said:
You're welcome to prove that Makima's contract redirects being restrained to a location.
I don't think it would either, I was just arguing the semantics of "intending harm".
cenoking
He/Him
- Friday at 4:52 PM
- #15
She slaughterers every single one of them Crawler would be controlled after she kills him a couple times and Siberian shouldn't last long after she finds the person controlling them. She's much faster and stronger then any of them except for Siberian in strength I guess.
Mook91
- Friday at 7:31 PM
- #16
ObsidionJaguar15 said:
What does any of this matter to these particular folks? Grey Boy ain't here, so whether or not she can cheat her way out of the bubbles means nothing.
Personally, unless they get damn lucky, there's not a lot any of them can do here to beat Makima. Siberian can kill her plenty, but enough times and in a bad enough way she can't come back? Probably not. Crawler might adapt something, but it's doubtful it'll mean much. Bonesaw could theoretically make a plague to kill off only Japanese people, but that's not gonna save them much either considering the diaspora would keep Makima alive long enough to throttle them before it hits them all scattered around the world. And that's all if she can't enslave them and force them to work for her; I doubt she'll consider a roving band of murderers as at all an equal, so it would be easy pickings.
Considering the fact that Makima could blitz Quanxi of all people it's likely that even the Siberian couldn't actually kill Makima even once unless Makima let her.
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